Author's Note: This essay is an effort to think through a difficult human and leadership dynamic by examining an ancient story. I am not comparing myself to John the Baptist. I possess neither his righteousness nor his calling, and I certainly make no claim to being a messenger of God. Nor should anyone recognize another person in these pages and conclude that I am describing him as wicked, corrupt, or evil. I do not believe that. What interests me is something much narrower and more human: the psychology of a relationship in which one person is repeatedly drawn to a voice that challenges, frustrates, and sometimes condemns his choices. That dynamic strikes me as remarkably familiar. So, with all appropriate humility about the comparison, I want to explore a fascinating question: Why couldn't Herod stop listening?
There is something about the story of Herod Antipas and John the Baptist that I have always found more interesting than its gruesome ending. It is easy to remember the banquet, the dance, the rash promise, and John's head arriving on a platter. Those images are so dramatic that they can obscure a much quieter and, for me, much more fascinating detail.
Herod listened to John. More than that, he apparently kept listening to him.
This was not a comfortable relationship. John had publicly condemned Herod's marriage to Herodias, telling him plainly that it was unlawful for him to have his brother's wife. Herod responded by imprisoning John. Yet Mark tells us something remarkable about what happened afterward. Herod feared John, recognized him as righteous and holy, protected him, and continued hearing him. Depending upon the translation, Herod was perplexed or disturbed by what John said, and yet he still listened gladly.[1]
That contradiction fascinates me.
Herod had solved the practical problem. John was behind bars. The troublesome preacher no longer had the freedom he once possessed. Herod had political authority, guards, wealth, status, and the power of the state. John had a prison cell. Yet apparently Herod kept going back to hear what the prisoner had to say.
Why?
Perhaps the answer tells us something important about leadership, truth, and the peculiar relationship that sometimes develops between a leader and the person willing to tell him what he does not want to hear.
Power has always had a problem with honest counsel. The higher someone rises in an organization, the easier it becomes to become insulated from uncomfortable information. People surrounding leaders have interests of their own. Employees want careers. Political allies want influence. Friends want relationships preserved. Volunteers want appointments. Subordinates want advancement. Even good people learn which subjects produce irritation and which opinions receive approval. Without anyone deliberately designing it, a leader can gradually find himself surrounded by increasingly agreeable information.
John wanted nothing from Herod. That may have been part of his power.
John was not looking for an appointment. He was not seeking promotion. He was not asking Herod to invite him to dinner. He did not need access to the palace, and he certainly wasn't tailoring his message to preserve it. There was very little Herod could offer John that would cause John to change what he believed was true. That makes a person extraordinarily difficult to control. It may also make him extraordinarily compelling.
Perhaps Herod kept listening because John possessed something that becomes increasingly rare around powerful people: independence. Here was a man who apparently did not care whether Herod liked what he said. John knew where he stood. He had drawn his moral line and wasn't moving it merely because the person standing on the other side happened to be the ruler of Galilee.
Herod could reject John's conclusion, but he could not easily dismiss the man who delivered it.
There is a leadership lesson buried there. Sometimes the person who frustrates us most is also the person whose opinion we continue seeking. We may disagree with him. We may resist his recommendations. We may become irritated when he points out something we would rather leave alone. We may even create distance between ourselves and him. Then, strangely, we find ourselves asking again what he thinks.
Why would anyone do that? Perhaps because somewhere beneath resistance there is recognition. We recognize that this particular person is not calibrating his answer according to what will please us. We may not believe he is always right. He almost certainly isn't. But we believe we are going to receive what he actually thinks.
That has value.
There is also an important distinction between hearing counsel and following it. Leaders sometimes repeatedly consult people whose advice they seldom take. From the adviser's perspective, this can become maddening. If you keep asking what I think, why do you keep doing something else? But perhaps that misunderstands what the leader is seeking.
Sometimes an adviser is not being used as an instruction manual. He is functioning as a reference point. The leader wants to know where the boundary is, even if he ultimately decides to cross it. He wants the dissenting opinion in the room. He wants to know what someone without the same incentives sees when looking at the problem.
Perhaps that was part of what John represented to Herod. There is no indication in Mark that John's message became more accommodating because Herod kept listening. John apparently continued being John, and Herod continued being Herod. One possessed political authority; the other possessed moral independence. Their relationship existed inside the tension between those two forms of power.
Then other people entered the equation.
Herodias did not share Herod's fascination with John. Mark tells us that she held a grudge against him and wanted him dead. For a time she could not accomplish that because Herod protected him. Then came Herod's birthday banquet, Herodias's daughter, the dance, and Herod's spectacularly foolish promise to give her whatever she requested. After consulting her mother, she returned asking for John's head.[2]
This is where the story becomes an extraordinary study in leadership. Herod did not want to do it. Mark says he was "exceeding sorry." But he had made his promise publicly, surrounded by important guests. His nobles were there. His military commanders were there. The leading men of Galilee were there. To refuse the request would require Herod to retreat publicly from his own words.[3]
Nobody physically forced Herod to order John's death. That distinction matters. Herodias created the pressure. The daughter delivered the demand. The assembled guests created the social environment. Herod's own rash promise created the trap.
But Herod gave the order.
That is one of the harder lessons of leadership: other people can maneuver us toward a decision without relieving us of responsibility for making it. Leaders create—or at least tolerate—the environments surrounding them. They choose whose voices receive access. They decide which behaviors are rewarded. They establish whether disagreement is safe or costly. Eventually, that environment begins exerting pressure back upon the leader.
At first, a leader may tolerate the person who says uncomfortable things. He may even value him. But over time, others may find that person troublesome. Perhaps they resent his influence. Perhaps they dislike his criticism. Perhaps his presence complicates decisions they would prefer to make without resistance. The cost of continuing to listen begins to rise.
That is when leadership becomes difficult. It is easy to value honest counsel when the counsel costs us nothing. The real test comes when listening threatens a relationship, an alliance, our popularity, our convenience, our pride, or something we have already publicly committed ourselves to doing.
Herod could listen to John while John was merely troublesome. At the banquet, John became expensive.
Herod chose the room.
That doesn't necessarily make Herod incomprehensible. Quite the opposite. It makes him painfully human. Most of us know the pressure of having said something we wish we could take back. Most of us understand the embarrassment of reversing ourselves publicly. Most leaders eventually discover that doing the right thing can require disappointing people whose approval matters to them. Herod faced precisely that moment and failed it. The consequences were irreversible.
There is another side to this story, however, and it concerns the person giving the unwelcome counsel. The truth-teller can make a mistake of his own. He can begin believing that because someone repeatedly asks for his opinion, he has become responsible for the other person's decisions. He can continue explaining, warning, persuading, arguing, and returning to the same subject because surely, eventually, the other person will understand.
But counsel does not transfer responsibility. The adviser owns the advice. The leader owns the decision.
There comes a point when the person who has spoken must relinquish the outcome. He can explain what he sees. He can warn about consequences. He can refuse to flatter. He can even say the same uncomfortable thing more than once when asked. But he cannot live another person's life or exercise another leader's judgment.
Perhaps that is one of the most difficult boundaries for experienced leaders to accept when they become advisers to other leaders. Experience allows us to recognize patterns. Sometimes we can see the collision coming because we have already survived one ourselves. We naturally want to reach for the steering wheel.
But it isn't ours anymore.
There is a final detail in Mark's account that gives the story an almost haunting conclusion. After John's death, reports about Jesus began reaching Herod. People offered different explanations for who Jesus might be. Herod had his own answer: "It is John, whom I beheaded: he is risen from the dead."[4]
Think about that. Herod had finally silenced John. The prisoner was gone. The troublesome voice could no longer challenge him. There would be no more uncomfortable conversations and no more inconvenient moral judgments from the cell. Yet when another powerful voice appeared, Herod heard John again.
That may be the most profound part of the story. Removing the messenger does not necessarily remove the message. We sometimes imagine that discomfort originates in the person who causes us to confront something we would rather avoid. Remove the person, and perhaps the discomfort will disappear. Stop asking his opinion. Exclude him from the conversation. Reduce his influence. Surround ourselves instead with voices that are easier to hear.
But if the uncomfortable voice touched something we already suspected might be true, silence does not solve the problem. The voice becomes internal.
Perhaps that is why Herod couldn't stop listening in the first place. Somewhere beneath the irritation and perplexity, he recognized something in John that he could neither comfortably accept nor completely dismiss.
That is why every leader needs at least one person who can say no, who can say, "I think you're wrong," or ask, "Have you considered what this will cost?" Every leader needs someone who does not need the leader's approval badly enough to alter the answer. Such people are rarely comfortable companions to power, but they are enormously valuable.
The responsibility works both ways. The adviser must remember that honest counsel does not make him righteous, infallible, or responsible for controlling the outcome. The leader must resist the equally human temptation to confuse discomfort with disloyalty.
Perhaps that is why thinking through this ancient story has left me more at peace with some experiences of my own. Human relationships that once seemed contradictory make a little more sense to me now. A person can value honest counsel and resist it at the same time. He can seek an independent voice while also finding that voice deeply frustrating. He can distance himself from the person offering unwelcome advice without becoming indifferent to what that person has said.
More importantly, I am reminded of the boundary between counsel and responsibility. If someone asks what I think, my obligation is to answer as honestly and fairly as I can. What happens afterward belongs to him. I need not persuade him, rescue him from a decision I believe is mistaken, or carry responsibility for consequences that are not mine. Understanding that does not resolve every disagreement, but it does make the burden considerably lighter.
Herod possessed virtually every form of worldly power available in his circumstances. John possessed almost none. Herod could imprison him, and eventually Herod could silence him.
What Herod apparently could not do was stop listening.
And in the end, even after John was gone, Herod could not stop hearing him.
Notes
Mark 6:17–20. The textual tradition is particularly interesting here. The King James Version says Herod "did many things, and heard him gladly," while several modern translations render the passage as Herod being greatly perplexed or puzzled by John and nevertheless continuing to listen to him. Either reading preserves the central paradox: John's words troubled Herod, yet Herod remained drawn to hearing him.
Mark 6:21–25. Mark portrays Herodias as harboring the desire to kill John before the banquet and presents the daughter's request as originating with her mother.
Mark 6:26–28. The Gospel explicitly connects Herod's decision with both his oath and the presence of his dinner guests. The text therefore supports interpreting social standing and public embarrassment as important elements in his decision, although the broader psychological interpretation developed in this essay is my own.
Mark 6:14–16. Herod's later identification of Jesus with the executed John provides the basis for the concluding reflection about the persistence of John's voice in Herod's conscience. The claim about Herod's internal psychology is interpretive rather than something the text explicitly states.
Historical Note: The first-century Jewish historian Josephus independently records Herod Antipas's execution of John the Baptist in Antiquities of the Jews, Book XVIII. Josephus emphasizes Herod's fear that John's influence over the population might lead to political upheaval rather than the banquet narrative found in the Gospels.






